Enough with the "Koch Brothers" and "Big Oil"-style buzz words Jeff. You're not impressing anybody. The Governor said he didn't have time “to ponder the esoteric question of the cause of this storm.” What difference does a retrospective make when the better part of 4 counties need to be re-built? That is his focus right now and rightfully so. I'm not saying climate change isn't a concern, I'm saying you are making too much out of one line from a press conference. Guess potential topics for you this week were scant?

All educated and informed people that do not derive their living via left wing liberal enviro-terrorist groups agree that there is no climate change and any variances in the climate are naturally occurring and have been since the man in the sky created the earth.

Sierra Club ignores NASA: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/

It's the SUN!

Just say NO to the elitists pushing global governance through Agenda 21.

Climate Change==follow the money==Al Gore===UN's Agenda 21,== Sustainable

Hey Jeff, did you know that global warming causes asteroids? LOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/cnn-anchor-wonders-bill-nye-did-global-warming-send-asteroid-near-earth?dom=tw&src=SOC

When the magnetic North Pole is in the Middle of the Indian Ocean, then maybe Jeff will wake up.

Lets see, first global warming, then climate change, now what is it? Oh yes, climate disruption. Please! Keep trying. Maybe you can come up with a phrase that rhymes next. I know, in 4 and a half billion years the earth has never seen anything like this before. Wise up Tittle.

youre right observer they,ve seen record heat waves the past 10 yrs, record breaking droughts , storm of the century every year now and still they hate science. enviro terrorists. lol yeah you know they plant seeds instead of bombs and bn youre still on about this agenda 21 nonsense? . you can tell everyone on this thread is listening to rush blimbaugh everyday. we got rid of the teabaggers like allen west who started this scare the ole folks bs about agenda 21 where enviorment people will form an army to throw all of us from our homes and put us in work camps. i liked it better when it was a movie called " mad max beyond thunderdome." . all you teabaggers on here who laugh at science youre part of a dying breed of the ignorance we voted out in nov. republicans like todd akin and richard murdouck who think women have anti rape ninjas in their uterus to prevent pregnancy. you are the pod people like in that movie " invasion of the body snatchers" where americans are replaced by non thinking clones all operating under orders. in your case its fox news teaching you science. doesnt get any scarier than that.

98% of the world's scientists have given the evidence to show that things arent going to be getting any better. watch the news and see how often the weatherman uses the word " record" . record heat, record snow, record superstorms, record flooding, droughts, wildfires people at the shore having to rebuild their houses on stilts. thank god we have people like fed up and johnny taxpayer to tell us its all just our imagination.hey maybe we can all do like rick perry and have a prayer a thon in the astrodome for rain to end months of drought.

paul heyman according to you the " man in the sky" created the earth 6,000 yrs ago. lets see a show of hands as to how many of you here think the flintstones was a documentary? . i mean why not the republican gov of kentucky used taxpayer money to build a creationism museum there . inside there are cavemen next to dinosaurs with SADDLES on their backs. you know like a prehistoric bonanza episode. bluebeam and tom syzmo and fed up all believe what the good bible tells them which is the earth is 6,000 yrs old and they are busy on this thread giving us their version of what science is. sheesh.

On a planet that is said to be billions of years old where there is barely 100 years of climate data, any reasonable person who's ever take an entry level statistics course ought to be able to grasp why climate change as it is claimed is at best an un-provable theory and at worst a coordinated hoax.

The patch needs an edit and disclaimer here..the author is a part of an extreme lobby group...he is not a "local voice".

Agreed, this guy is no local voice. Amy, why is this allowed?

He should not be allowed but (a) the patch is an ultra left wing liberal organization (b) the let any nut write a local voice piece. They would even let you guys. They just want people to argue on the forums to get more clicks and higher advertising revenue. Just like jeff and algore they wanna get paid.

Yeah. Agenda 21... 22. Whatever it takes.

Paul, let's date...call me.

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The Jeff Tittel derangement syndrome is in full display. Fox News and hate wing radio have done a good job of dumbing down a certain percentage of the citizenry. Climatologists are evil liars but Hannity and Limbaugh are all knowing saints and savants (sarcasm alert).

Listen the world is flat Christie to hand out flood maps and Cheesesteaks

Joe R, let's go to a movie and then do the hibbity dippity shobitty doo-bop, if you know what I mean...

listen paulie hymen now you think climate scientists all get paid by the u.s govt? what flat earthers like you can never understand that its scientists all over the world saying it. maybe in between hannity episodes you can look up things like geology because those like you and jeff d seem to think scientists are only guessing at what happened more than 100 yrs ago. no paulie the stars are not lampholders in the sky as you like to remark. geology can show what happened over millions of years . believe it or not paulie they can actually tell what happened further back that 1912. i love mouth breathers like you the typical teabaggers who when faced with an opposing opinion that is made of common sense you then start yelling " conpiracy" and that people commenting on here are either somehow magically making money from it or " theyre not even from here", so as americans they have no right to speak their mind. for teabaggers like paulie cherry here the constitution was written for him and him only. we dont need any fancy book learning science types in paulie's world. now i have to comment on other patch threads because thats of course how i get paid. lol what a choad.

joe r if you told those like tugwalla and paulie here that scientists can take ice core samples in the artic to show what changes have taken place he would say youre trying to cash in. just dont tell him about tree rings. you might blow his mind. lol

Can someone explain why just 15,000 years ago, glaciers that came down as far as NJ started melting? On their retreat they formed the finger lakes in NY and the Great lakes of the US?

Jeff Tietel, what men were causing the climate change 20,000 years ago when the American Glaciers were retreating.

Jeff, do you know that the only reason that Native Americans got to America was because the sea level was drastically lower just 20,000 years ago, allowing people to WALK from Russia to Alaska? What men were causing sea level change back then?

You're a hack! But keep it up because you're incredibly entertaining!

The lack of logic in the climate change discussion is amazing. Any attempt to bring basic logic or a discussion of Statistical Significance and Statistical Sampling Methods is met by accusations that you must be a right wing extremist or that you are the modern equivalent of a Holocaust Denier. Logic and common sense have no place when Chicken Little proclaims that "The Sky Is Falling!!!!".

it truly is sad duffer because there is no getting thru to them. there is no basic understanding of climate science they will ever understand. if you mention the drastic change that has taken place over the past 100 yrs they will tell you the climate has changed before. what they cant understand is it took thousands of years for it to change not a century. its a shame they have the chance to learn even now at this very hour on ch 13 on the nova series there is a show called "earth from space" which explains how the army of satelites up there are seeing everything even the earth's crust if it raises even half an inch as well as how antartica is the engine that drives all ocean currents. these rubes like paul hymen and others could watch it if they had on demand but i have a feeling those like bluebeam and others watching a program like that would be similiar to honey boo boo watching a show on neurology. the real shame is these goobers will be dead and gone but their kids and grandkids will be the ones picking up the tab for their ignorance.

oh and bluebeam we "tree hungers" have and still are going after monsanto for their growing of frankenfood including corn that produces its own pesticide because it has been genetically altered . as usual bluebeam you never manage to connect the dots. its like when you read in the newspaper about an animal abuse story and someone replies to it by writing a letter about abortion. they too never connect the dots.

Sorry to bust anyone's bubble___but mankind is totally and completeymeaningless and insignificant. Humans are merely 1 of the millions of species that have inhabited this planet. Nothing SPECIAL___just a species. Not SO SPECIAL. Species come and species go. Species either Evolve, Adapt, or become Extinct.Yes indeed our planet is getting warmer___that should be common knowledge for EVERYONE___since if our planet was not getting warmer___we would still be in the Last Ice Age and that Ice Age would never had ended without Global Warming. Less than 10 to 20 miles below our feet the temperature of our planet is up to 7,000 degrees___(water boils at around 220 degrees, steel melts at aound 2,000 degrees0 wyet our planet's core ishot enough to be liquid, molten and erupt into volcanic activity. And none of that heat is created by the insignificant little species we refer to as human beings.. This is a Carbon Based planet and everything on this planet gives off carbon___even the oceans.are 20% carbon.

The Sierra Club is a shady outfit.
http://activistcash.com/organizations/194-sierra-club/

Your better off supporting local groups that cares for NJ's enviornment first and not raising money for the DNC.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00135368&cycle=2012

I don't think any honest intelligent person can accept global warming. It is the realm of the dishonest and mis-informed. Think it through folks. Mathematically, statistical significance can not be calculated based on our limited data on climate.....that's how bad the data set is. You can't even calculate that warming or cooling are happening to any statistically significant amount based on our limited data. If you can't even measure the blip on the screen that is supposed to be global warming how can you possibly claim cause and effect.

@~Barb~

WOW, I got one heck of an education about these nut-jobs. Thank you!!

@Barb: Thanks for nothing, a industry funded propaganda site.
ActivistCash.com is a web site affiliated with the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. ActivistCash.com was launched in November 2001. For more, see the SourceWatch article on A visit to the ActivistCash.com web site.
ActivistCash.com and ConsumerFreedom.org are merely the latest in a string of organizations that Rick Berman has created to advance his clients' interests.
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2002Q1/ddam.html

Joe R, thanks for everything, you are the moon and the stars, the bees knees, the cats pajamas, the peoples elbow, etc.

joe r you might as well try to talk common sense to the torch carrying villagers in the movie frankenstein than to get any reason from goobers like tugonmywalla and john jay. yeah a climate scientist makes millions of dollars now? lol . yes doesnt everyone know they are driving bentleys out on the ice of antartica to get those core samples. hopefully these rubes dont have too many kids and the breeding of the next string of idiots wont be as many as these gomers.yes ch 13 is a socialist propaganda channel according to bobdee who thinks they all must be commies since even elmo is red. sal there are 7 billion human species on this planet and unlike the other species so far i havent seen any frogs or insects building coal factories and driving trucks . i love the " he isnt from our town so he should have no say" . its the best goober line i,ve heard so far.

"i have spoken "instead of getting an education from racists like ole barb here why dont you go to the library. they have many books there on things like geology, earth science, history. they even have ones with pictures although they might not let you use crayons to color in them. this thread is a clear example of the amount of inbreeding that goes on in the lacey area. its a solid bets those who hate that evil thing known as science are guaranteed to have webbed toes. but wow can they swim. lol

The Sierra Club has been known to be connected to “UN Agenda 21″ -
chemtrailing, smart gridding, smart metering, de-populatiing, anti-property rights for land owners, surveillance, displacement of Indigenous, Native, and Original Peoples for Unconstitutional control of their land, resources, and soverignty, and pseudo “conservation-wildlife-local re-development-sustainability” programs (vs. real, authenti c ethical self-reliant earth preservation) etc.

Be on the watch for Trojan Horses who want to swoop in to “save” and “rescue” from either global warming or pseudo-carbon pollution. Help others to wake up. Some of the “bigger” names and organizations connected to the “environmentalism” movement are actually either knowingly or unknowingly (and even programmed or playing dumb) to keeping Geo-Engineering alive as well as unethically pushing “Agenda 21″.

The best answer is in the pure Local movement, communities and people (non-partisan, non-commericalized, and un-co-opted by outside forces) taking over town and local city meetings. Don’t be Delphi’d by them. Speak up and Speak Out. This is OUR earth, not theirs.

CHILDREN, behave and play nice!

once again trying to teach hayseeds like duffer and john jay climate science is as pointless as shooting pool with a rope.

barb in full tin hat mode here. yes barb scientists now want to " de populate" the world. (guess it must be the genocide these test tube types are carrying out.) listen agenda 21 is something you saw on hannity or bill o reilly and its science fiction. but old barb here still believes "an enviormentalist army" will of course defeat the u.s military and throw all of us out of our homes into work camps of course as they destroy the constitution. sounds like between watching too much fox tv and planet of the apes movies youre in full paranonia mode. yeah barb of course its enviormentalists displacing native original people not huge corporations that are bulldozing the rain forest and throwing the natives who live there out of their homes maybe all the developers are planting trees instead of 600 home communities around here lately. .yeah barb the best answer to this huge problem according to you is going to the lacey town meeting and telling them the enviro militia is coming to take over our world . when youre there barb dont forget to ask the lacey committee about eminent domain since they,ve been trying to use it in this town for years . isnt eminent domain the main gist of your wacky agenda 21 manifesto? oh the racist stuff you havent used here yet but prior posts by you on other threads about obama on a noose etc earned you that title.

Frank

Perhaps Duffer thinks a storm like Sandy wont happen again or maybe he thinks Super Storm Sandy was a left wing conspiracy or maybe he thinks the world is flat
or maybe he thinks 8 ft of water on the boardwalk is the new normal
Christie and his new flood maps and Chessesteaks for everyone for President
Remember folks fema is immoral so pull your fema claim and put on your magic underwear
Hurricane season only 4 months away
Wonder if the same republicons who voted no on the sandy bill will vote no for fema for this months MS tornado

i,ll keep it simple for john jay and the other banjo playing extras from the movie "delieverence " on here, scientists were first starting to see the evidence of climate change in the very early 1970s so no aman 77 its not some plot obama started. the saddest part is when the faux news fans try to make science a political thing when science couldnt care less about politics much as a kettle brought to boil wouldnt care about who voted for who. listen aman the waxwork dummy you guys ran for president lost get over it already.john jay who cant seem to understand that according to "lefty" sources like the scientific american as well as a dozen others like answers yahoo etc say the current human global population is 6,677,563,921 people give or take a few rubes.the funny thing is when like last summer which was the hottest out of the past 10 yrs all also being the hottest years since they,ve been recording weather in the late 1800s on days like last july when we had record breaking temps of over 104 degrees for extended lenghts of time you,ll never see barb or john jay on here saying " so wheres the global warming?" . .currently 10 out of the 20 earth science satelites are nearing the end of their life spans. once we stop getting data from them the hee haw types here on the patch will be only more convinced that human interference in the past 100 yrs has already done great damage is all some big plot by the democrats.

duffer i,ll save you a trip to the library for a stats book just look at the national academy in science (know to most on here as " the commies") and their report "expert credibility in climate change ". while your at it check out the stats on the over 1327 earth science scientists around the world (all multi millionaires according to you) and you,ll see that 97% of them know its real and its manmade. according to duffer here superstorms like sandy have been always happening. yeah right.

i gotta go the sierra club military and all their tanks are coming down my street to drag us all from our homes.

The real climate threat is not carbon dioxide, and is man made, it's called: Geoengineering. Did you know a company called Enron started the practice of trading in "weather derivatives."

This frank reynolds guy has a lot to say. Any of it any good? I can't get past a line or two before the insults start. Then I move on.

yeah bobby dee the real threat isnt from greenhouse gases and things like the larson ice shelf falling into the sea in the space of a month isnt the problem its enron a company out of business for years having traded stock. you got it all figured out there bob. jerseyswamps i cant help if you can only read a line or two and have to move on past the facts. you really should see a doctor for a condition like attention deficit disorder.

bobdee i guess enron was what caused sandy according to you. meanwhile down the shore people are rebuilding their houses on stilts while there are those on here who think scientists dont know why.

next bobdee will put that whole evolution theory nonsense to rest. like bobdee and john jay have already said " if evolution is real how come we dont have chimps turning into humans?" .

Come on ladies and gentlemen, this reynolds character is the one and only Frank Rizzo toolsack. Nothing but BS and name calling left wing radical cracksniff.

that means so much from someone hiding behind a name like "fed up" . i think we need a translator in the room for fed up here because i think frank rizzo was a mayor of philly who died years ago.yeah left wing radical "stuff" . like no one can look up for themselves what the temps have been for the past 10 yrs or what the ocean temps have been tom. heres a "left wing fact" for all of you. if you heat the ocean you put a lot more energy into the atmosphere and these storms will increase in frequency and intensity. tom yes there have been storms before but do you ever remember people having to build their houses on stilts before or so many millions of people so badly affected? . the answer is no. this summer the water temp in seaside hts ran 10 degrees above normal. is that a part of the routine too? catching fish that are usually found in south american waters?no instead we,ll leave it to fed up here who in their paranonia think dead mayors are coming after them and the national weather service and its data going back to the 1800s is some sort of " lefty plot" . dont worry fed up you,ll figure it out someday LT Coldumbo.

Reading Frank Reynolds comments he seems to have a good understanding of science and facts. Reading the comments from the anti science crowd living in denial opposing him is akin to watching the professor on Gilligan's island trying to explain how electricity works to Gilligan.

Why does the supposed, smarter than anyone, Pro-Science crowd ignore or get down right nasty when I bring up the things most college freshmen learn in their first Statistics class. It is a simple fact that the theory of climate change does not stand up to the basic mathematical rules found in any Statistics 101 text book.

So, Frank, you're going to base climate change on 10 years of data? You're going to base the water temp. off of sea side as a predictor of climate change? As for the people being affected, no it hasn't been so bad in the past, but we didn't have all the people living on the shore as we do now, we didn't have houses where marshes once stood and helped to alleviate flooding, we didn't have storm sewer systems that allowed water from the ocean and bays travel fast and far inland with an epic storm surge.

As for south american fish, name one. We've always had warm water fish off of NY/NJ from august through october (wahoo, amberjack, cobia, to name a few). We often have eddy's that break off of the gulf stream and move closer to shore bringing warm water fish with them (of more tropical origin). Your argument is silly.

Forked; I don't argue with the fact that we've seen water temps rise, and land temps rise here and there. However, what the media doesn't report is that the trend has been downward GLOBALLY over the past 7 years or so. My argument is that weather and climate are cyclical, and what we're experiencing now is not out of the ordinary.
As for the storms being "more violent", tell me exactly how you have proof of that. Is it simply because that's what is sensationalized in the media and the weather channel? Tornado's in the south in winter; do you think that is anomaly? Tornados have occurred in winter in the south since Man has been in North America, there are periods when there are more, and periods when there are less.

The whole notion of global warming is a political movement, nothing more, nothing less. Once data started to show that some places are cooling (such as europe, and now that parts of the antarctic are back in a cooling period) the mantra was changed to "climate change". Once climate scientists (those who are ethical) get a real understanding of how particular climate patterns, such as ENSO, and the North Atlantic Oscillation, drive yearly weather events, we'll have a better understanding of WHY we experience changes in climate, and HOW/WHY the Earth has experienced these cycles in the past, present and future.

There is an interesting article on the Earth's temperature changes available here. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st279

There were once glaciers as close as Bucks County PA. There were also once trees and grasslands in places we now consider actic. All this before industrialized society existed. Do you think the glowing orb in the sky might have had something to do with those temperature swings? Now we are supposed to believe that temperature changes measured in fractions of a single degree based on barely 100 years worth of questionable data indicate the end of the world and that shazamm shazamm shazamm....its all man's fault. The solution they say is more and bigger government and give up some of that freedom and money you folks have been enjoying. How dare you have a 100 watt light bulb!!!!! How dare you!!!! How dare you be so wasteful and drive an SUV to take your kids to school!!!! How dare you!!!!Its your fault American middle class that the world is warming by 1/10th of a degree. You should be ashamed!!!!! Now give us your money, the keys to that SUV and those evil light bulbs. How dare you!!!!! Trust big government and particularly leftists. They will fix everything at your expense. Just give them your money and your freedom. Don't dare question them either or challenge their logic or science....they are smarter than anyone else....just ask them and they will be sure to let you know how much smarter than you they think they are.

I don’t think can be any real doubt that the Earth’s climate is cyclical. On the other hand I don’t think that there can be any real doubt that humans are causing some damage to the planet and its atmosphere. That being said, on the grand scale of things, human impact on atmospheric support systems has little to do with rebuilding the NJ shore after a hurricane. Statements like “A recent study found that by 2050 the sea level at Sandy Hook could rise by 21 to 35 inches, meaning water could move up to three feet inland” are just plain alarmist, but I guess they get the author paid. According to NOAA “Estimates for the 20th century show that global average sea level rose at a rate of about 1.7 mm yr.” http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/issea.pdf NOAA’s estimates are more along the lines of 7 inches in rise by 2050 but they are quick to point out that any future predictions are just that, conjecture.

This "climate change" nonsense is the ultimate power grab on the part of totalitarians. When the government is able to control your daily activity on the premise that it effects the weather, you are totally screwed.

The impact of human activity is overrated.

Where does this idiot get his info. Ninth devastating storm in the last 3 years. Fourth 100 year storm int the last 2 decades. Where the hell have I been that I Missed all this . Come on patch how could let someone this ignorant write and article

" i dont know where this idiot gets his info from" when he posted the link to noaa right here. here are some definitions for proud and tom as well as duffer should look up as their homework " geologist" " ice core samples " " global ocean temps since 1970". as far as the mr wizards on here who babble on about cycles in earth's history climate cycles take thousands of years to complete not a century .

proud when are you beginning your "stop the red cross" and "stop the salvation army " campaigns?.

All of you are idiots. Climate change or not, there is a reason that every other continent on earth has "ruins". Here in America we spend trillions of dollars rebuilding areas that are prone to devastation. I donate to the American Red Cross and most recently Restore The Shore, but only because I feel bad for my fellow humans who are too stupid to move inland.