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Who Won the Debate? NJ Insiders Split Along Party Lines

However, over 80 percent believe President Obama will be declared the "consensus winner" by media outlets.

New Jersey political insiders declared their party’s candidate the winner of the second presidential debate Tuesday night. However, most believe President Barack Obama will be the consensus winner among national media outlets over Mitt Romney.

According to a Patch flash poll sent to elected officials and political party insiders, 24 out of 27 Democrats responding believed Obama was the victor, while 20 out of 24 Republicans declared Romney the winner.

“I think Romney had a better understanding and explanation of how to create jobs and grow the economy. He looked much more presidential,” one Republican said.

The results of Patch’s second presidential debate poll of New Jersey insiders contrast with those from last week’s head-to-head, in which 100 percent of Republicans surveyed and 41 percent of Democrats gave the victory to Romney.

In Patch’s first debate poll, 70 percent of all respondents believed Romney would be declared the “consensus winner” in that showing.

Approximately 82 percent of those surveyed, including 16 of 24 Republicans, believed Obama would be declared the “consensus winner” of the second debate by national media outlets.

“Obama was back,” one Democrat declared.

Many respondents made mention of moderator Candy Crowley in pointing to debate moments that would stand out among viewers.

In response to the question “What moment will stand out in the mind of conservatives in New Jersey?” one Republican said “Candy Crowley acting more like Obama's debate partner than a moderator.”

“It was disappointing to see Obama get away with his misrepresentation of the Benghazi attack,” that Republican said. “We know the administration—and Obama himself—repeatedly denied what common sense told us from the start: that it was a premeditated act of terror, not a spontaneous demonstration that spiraled out of control.

Democrats also highlighted the Benghazi attack exchange as a highlight of the evening, though from a decidedly different perspective.

When asked what moment of the debate would stand out to progressives and liberals in New Jersey, one Democratic respondent answered: “Obama's response on women's health issues and the Presidential response on the Benghazi attack issues by Romney which was misrepresented. Obama came out as a fighter and advocate for the middle class, veterans, senior citizens, working 47 percent that Romney called victims and not taking personal responsibility.”

That same Democrat criticized Romney’s tone during the debate: “Romney was rude to Candy Crowley and was flustered when he was challenged on his positions by the President.”

Patch Red and Blue Garden State surveys were sent to 190 Democrats and 145 Republicans. If you are an elected official or party leader and would like to be included in future surveys, contact Associate Regional Editor Jacklyn Corley at jacklyn.corley@patch.com or Regional Editor Mike Pignataro at mike@patch.com

Frederick John LaVergne for Congress October 20, 2012 at 03:04 AM
NO law...and I assure you I know from where I speak. Check "Democratic-Republican Organization v Guadagno et al" as is now pending in the Federal Third Circuit Court of Appeals. It's a "Ballot Position" suit you'll be reading about shortly. "Stand for what's right, or settle for what's left" - FJL
KC October 20, 2012 at 03:19 AM
Romney is a venture capitalist - a Gordon Gekko with sister wives. He is not a business man. He is a vulture who manipulates corporate entities to bankruptcies. Witness KB Toys. People who don't study the reality of the candidates scare me.
KC October 20, 2012 at 03:22 AM
YOUR MAN ROMNEY WILL LOSE BECAUSE HE IS A LIAR WHO WILL STOOP TO ANY LEVEL TO ENHANCE HIS AGENDA. SORRY BEGGING WON'T MAKE IT OTHERWISE.
Ryan Hardy October 20, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Ron Paul is FAR from racist! Oh, I know, he's a racist "anti semite" because he doesnt want to help israel stage a war with Iran and have Americans as the cannon fodders! Fool!
Ryan Hardy October 20, 2012 at 04:04 AM
I kiss the ground that Ron Paul walks on!
Saturnian October 20, 2012 at 08:26 PM
I don't like being lied to ...can anyone really believe this Benghazi "video" story .... our intelligence department didn't know it was an organized attack... does Obama think we're that stupid ????
I DON'T HAVE A PLAN OR RECORD TO RUN ON October 20, 2012 at 08:36 PM
What else do we expect from FAILURE IN CHIEF???? 9/12 - CLINTON - “We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. September 13 Press Secretary Jay Carney at a briefer in Golden, CO “I think it’s important to note with regards to that protest that there are protests taking place in different countries across the world that are responding to the movie that has circulated on the Internet.” “There is no justification at all for responding to this movie with violence.” September 14 Jay Carney at a White House Press briefing “We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack. The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive. And while the violence is reprehensible and unjustified, it is not a reaction to the 9/11 anniversary that we know of, or to U.S. policy. … The unrest around the region has been in response to this video. We do not, at this moment, have information to suggest or to tell you that would indicate that any of this unrest was preplanned.” http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/19/detailed-timeline-quotes-what-did-the-obama-administration-say-about-the-libya-attack/
I DON'T HAVE A PLAN OR RECORD TO RUN ON October 20, 2012 at 08:40 PM
September 18 President Obama on The Late Show with David Letterman Obama: Well, here’s what happened. You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who is– it’s an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam. IT WAS ALL FROM A VIDEO...NO PREPLANNED ATTACKS. NO INTELL UNTIL THIS September 19 Matthew Olsen, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center “Certainly, on that particular question, I would say yes. They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.” September 20 President Obama during a Univision Forum – Miami, Florida “I don’t want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests.” Jay Carney during a press gaggle en route Miami “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials. So, again, that’s self-evident. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH......on this day it's "SELF EVIDENT IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK" WHEN WILL OBAMA COME CLEAN??
Linda Ensor October 21, 2012 at 03:39 PM
I wish either candidate would address the global climate change issue, since that is truly a life-and-death concern for the future of our planet. Also, I would be heartened to see those who call Obama "arrogant" to impose the need for honesty on themselves: what they are really saying is that as a Black man, he does not know his place. Let's be open about it--many Obama detractors are upset about having a Black (not Muslim or Kenyan--both lies, by the way..) in office, but they are concerned about revealing themselves to be racists.
Cardinal October 21, 2012 at 03:48 PM
"Evolution,ALieStraightFromHell"-Repub. From Ga, Paul Brown, And he is on the Congressional Science Committee !!!!!!
Steve R. October 21, 2012 at 04:01 PM
WAKE UP and smell what Barack is cooking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7U4oA4G3Ai0 You're doing this to your children and Grandchildren all the while finding justification in your head why Obama is a great president.
Cardinal October 21, 2012 at 04:09 PM
CEOpayUp27%in2010 workers Only 2.1%--USA Today
stewart resmer October 21, 2012 at 04:16 PM
19) “He keeps saying, ‘Look, I’ve created 5 million jobs.’ That’s after losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country.” Job creation is net positive since Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression. Economists estimate that up to 3 million jobs were created by the stimulus alone. 20) “The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident.” But Romney has promised to end President Obama’s deferred action directive, which saves some young undocumented immigrants from deportation, though he would not take away visas from people who had already received them. He has also promised to veto the DREAM Act.
Cardinal October 21, 2012 at 04:29 PM
InWorldUS millionairesTaxRate1 ofLowest.
Steve R. October 21, 2012 at 04:54 PM
What global climate issue? The climate changes four time a year. They're called seasons.
suz October 21, 2012 at 04:54 PM
What?! Not true, for me at least and others I know. The problem is his politics and policies not his color.
stewart resmer October 21, 2012 at 06:19 PM
21) “Now, when the president ran for office, he said that he’d put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation — he’d file a bill in his first year that would reform our — our immigration system… He didn’t do it. He had a Democrat House and Democrat Senate, supermajority in both houses.” Senate Republicans repeatedly prevented Obama’s immigration reform efforts. The GOP actually blocked the DREAM Act from securing 60 votes to pass cloture, denying hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants a path to legal status if they enrolled in college or joined the military. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) even said on the Senate floor that young people lobbying his office had wasted their time. 22) “Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies.” Romney’s blind trust is not very blind, and includes investments in a company owned by Romney’s son.
Max R October 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM
Linda, What is the Global Climate Change issue that you think needs to be addressed? And your comment on race is very offensive. Typically those people who accuse others of being racists are showing their own true colors (pardon the pun.)
Max R October 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Spooner, you lost the argument that Bush ruined the economy with his Wall St boys which was the basis for your whole rant and then you talk about banks needed to be regulated with dodd frank when it was frank that was more responsible than anyone for wrecking the housing market. i wasn't going to bring up rubin or cuomo.
Max R October 22, 2012 at 12:36 AM
And you also lost the argument that TARP was a success. unemployment is still almost 8% and THAT's an arguable number at best. TARP was only good for O's union buddies and to fill state budgets for one year. big deal. . SO CREATIVE he wants to do more
Earl Gray October 22, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Donna... Obama lowered the deficit? YES.... Absolutely!! http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484767/obama-budget-chart/ http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Budget_office_Obamas_health_law_reduces_deficit.html
firedup49 October 22, 2012 at 02:05 AM
The earth is over a billion years old and has gone through the ice age, floods, earthquakes, and more. and be around for many more years. stupidity,laziness, arrogance, unqualified, has no color or religion
Spooner October 22, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Max- still haven't waiting for your response about TEXAS Senator Phil Gramm. . .and his unwinding of Glass-Steagall. . .and gee what was the name of that Governor from Texas who became President?. . .and what was the connection Wendy Gramm and Enron...you remember Enron don't you? Your now beginning to bore me with your obfuscations. . .stay on message and answer the questions!
OBAMA FAILED October 22, 2012 at 02:35 AM
OBAMA FAILED 10:27 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012 Yep, sure looks like its going down...... http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Debt since OBAMA took office is up $7 TRILLION I seem to recall he said it was unpatriotic and irresponsible to increase the debt on our children. What has he done? INCREASED THE DEBT ON OUR CHILDREN OBAMA - WHY DO YOU LIE SO MUCH? YOU HAVE FAILED US!!
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress October 22, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Moe, I'm a fan. Still owe you a coffee. This week?
Spooner October 22, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Information is now coming out that there was a demonstration with the attack on the consulate. Residents there are quoted as saying militants that were there were yelling about the American video. Faux News and the Republicans are politicizing this too the hilt. . .because of the Presidential Election.
Spooner October 22, 2012 at 03:06 AM
Max- still waiting for your response about TEXAS Senator Phil Gramm. . .and his unwinding of Glass-Steagall. . .and gee. . .what was the name of that Governor from Texas who became President?. . .and what was the connection of Wendy Gramm and Enron...you do remember Enron don't you? That was a Texas Corporation... Your now beginning to bore me with your obfuscations. . .stay on message and answer the questions! PS: your comments regarding TARP and the stimulus are a joke, and have no basis in fact. . . go read Christine Romers piece in NYT discussing the stimulus, even as flawed as it was... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/business/how-the-fiscal-stimulus-helped-and-could-have-done-more.html?ref=business&_r=0
Spooner October 22, 2012 at 03:11 AM
Max- I don't think so. . .you left out the Texas Senator. . .what was is name...oh yeah Phil Gramm. . .and what party was he operating under. . .why the Republicans! ...and what was Phil Gramm and his dear wife's claim to fame down in the District of Corruption Max. . .maybe with all the Clinton crap you could luciate us on. . . PS: please don't bring up that scallywag's name. . .next you'll be using the other crook's...Bob Rubin and Andrew Como. Everybody on both sides of the aisle were on a roll promoting the new game in town, SIV's. . .which was really a repackaged creation from the days of Lew Ranieri, when he was at Solomon Brothers, and Larry Fink, the math wonder boy from California. ...so what argument have I loss?
OBAMA FAILED October 22, 2012 at 03:18 AM
OBAMA - EMPTY CHAIR & FAILURE Here is his record of failure thanks to OH NO OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS RECORD OF FAILURE I am often reminded of what Obama said at the 2008 DNC: “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.” Every day, his campaign is making it smaller and smaller, and the President’s poll numbers keep dropping and dropping. 25 million unemployed $7 Trillion in new debt. $1 Trillion in WELFARE SPENDING 47 million on food stamps $1.5 Trillion budget deficits $500 Billion in UNPAID Medicare spending $500 Billion in UNPAID Social Security Tax cuts OBAMA LIES. AMERICANS DIE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQBSTomBWls IT WAS YOUR JOB OBAMA. YOU FAILED. STOP BLAMING OTHERS. OBAMA - what HAPPENED TO THE DEBT??? YOU ADDED $7 TRILLION TO IT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Cardinal October 22, 2012 at 03:23 AM
Romney'sPlan? he won't tell his Plan, try to get details from Ryan & Romney about their budget.

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